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If you are one of the people that Georgia Weidman refers to here:

Conference staff was originally very supportive. But then they went to hear his side of the story and they suddenly wouldn’t even look at me. I realize it’s a complicated situation, but what I hit myself in the eye? I asked an organizer point blank if he believed me, and he said he didn’t know. I don’t know what the guy’s story is, but from the police and the conference’s refusal to act, I assume it’s pretty convincing. Hotel staff pulled the security tapes. Someone I thought was a friend of mine watched them with hotel staff. The general jist I got from the interaction was because I was on the tape letting him into my room, walking in the hallway with him, etc. I must be lying. Where in any of that did I consent to unprotected sex, being hit, etc?

The interesting stuff is the reactions. The people who say things like, “This isn’t what I think of course, but I bet a lot of people don’t believe you because you flirt on Twitter,” or “Everyone saw you kiss so and so at this party, so of course no one believes you didn’t want to have sex with that guy.”

then you are fucking terrible at incident response and should find a career field where you are not responsible for the safety of anyone or anything of more value than a common goldfish. Preferably not even yourself, because you're not even competent enough for that.

I refer you to the following excerpt from slightly earlier:

So I gave [the police] my driver’s license and after they left I tore the room apart looking for my passport. In all my passport, wallet, iPad, one of my test phones, one shoe, and my Tag Heuer Carrera watch were stolen. Anyone who is into watches will know my pain at losing it. He originally said he had nothing of mine when questioned by hotel security. Then he magically found my iPad and passport but nothing else. The phone was later found in the hallway of his floor of the hotel. The rest of my things were recovered the next evening from his room by conference staff.

So let me get this straight. Because you have some uncertainty about whether a sexual assault occurred or not, therefore nothing else happened? What about the missing watch, the missing iPad, the missing shoe, the missing passport for crying out loud? Have we suddenly Quantum Leaped into a timeline where a person confessing to taking items of value and then returning them is, somehow, magically, not incontrovertible evidence of theft?

Take your time. I'm not going anywhere.

As infosec professionals it falls to us to recognise, as quickly as possible, any and all indicators of compromise, and prioritise our responses to them. If you are somebody who looks at Shaky Evidence For A and Irrefutable Evidence For B (Not Conditional On A), but decides that because A's evidence is shaky then B can't be true, then you fail at logic and should find a job that doesn't require it before your incompetence hurts someone. I don't care whether you have strong feelings about A or not -- taking a job in this field means committing to evaluating evidence objectively and taking action based on that evidence, and if your feelings about A cloud your ability to evaluate B objectively then you suck at your job. This goes for any A. If the Russians know that you have an irrational hate-on for the Chinese, and they hit you with one exploit that might be Chinese but you can't really be certain and another that is undisputably Russian, and your response is, "Those dirty Chinese, let's get 'em!" then the Russians win that round and you deserve to be mocked. Also fired.

I mean, seriously. I believe Georgia completely, but for the sake of this discussion I will go so far as to stipulate a situation where not only no sexual assault occurred, but no physical assault occurred (so, like, they both walked into doors? a particularly vicious door that left him bleeding freely from the temple? OK, whatever you say). How, then, do you explain the bizarre assemblage of stuff he took from her room and subsequently returned? "She loaned me the watch, phone, and iPad" strains the bounds of belief, but "she loaned me one of her shoes" beggars it entirely. Stop straining so hard at those gnats, you'll hurt yourself.

Not to mention the passport. I don't know whether any of you have ever been without a passport in a foreign country; I have. Mine was stolen on a plane from DC to Brussels last August, and I spent four days in a Belgian border detention center because of it. I have also been raped. If I were forced to choose between reliving either experience exactly as it happened originally, I'd pick the rape, no question. Granted, it sounds like Georgia had the support of the US Embassy, and could have probably gotten a replacement passport without a side trip through Club About to Be Deported, but that does not excuse the fact that taking someone's passport is serious fucking business. Keep in mind, a United States passport is not the property of the person to whom it is issued, but of the State Department. I am not a lawyer, and cannot credibly tell you whether a passport is the kind of "public record" that 18 USC 641 applies to, but if I were Fernando Gont -- the thief Georgia was reluctant to name, but said I could -- I would check with an actual lawyer and find out just what my actual liabilities might be, at least before stealing another fucking passport again.

But back to you, the people I'm addressing. I believe it to be the case that this community is one that does not countenance rape or assault. Perhaps the evidence of assault in this situation is too tenuous to meet the burden of proof for that, which is why I spotted you that point to begin with. I also believe it to be the case that this community is one that does not countenance theft, and what else can you call "taking physical objects that aren't yours and not returning them"? Gont didn't wake up the next morning with a throbbing headache, find a mysterious passport and iPad among his belongings, and take them to the hotel staff saying "Dear me, I appear to have come into possession of Georgia Weidman's passport and perhaps this iPad is also hers," they had to question him -- and at first he lied about it. Then the conference staff had to recover the rest of her things that he'd taken. Including her shoe, let me remind you. Who takes a shoe? What the fuck is wrong with this guy? What the fuck is wrong with you for not being as repelled as I am by this demonstration of his apparent get-hammered-and-steal-shit-from-people proclivities? Keeping on our physical-security toes is all well and good, but if people are wandering around conferences getting plastered and going "oh I like that, it's mine now," then maybe those people don't need to be drinking. Or maybe they don't need to be at our conferences.

Or is someone going to try and rationalize theft away now? Note, please, that I'm not saying "if you accept that Gont stole Weidman's and the State Department's property, you must also accept that he assaulted Weidman"; rather, if you accept that Gont committed crimes of property, one of which is probably a federal felony, why would you just handwave a thing like that away?

I'm waiting.


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Jun. 19th, 2013 05:38 am (UTC)
rather, if you accept that Gont committed crimes of property, one of which is probably a federal felony, why would you just handwave a thing like that away?

Because to acknowledge it means one would have to act in a confrontative way? And bring in the cops, and other uncomfortable stuff? I don't know, people are sometimes extremely reluctant about that kind of thing. Especially if the perpetrator is seen as "one of us". (Even more especially if the victim "isn't really one of us", through factors such as being a woman in a techy, male-dominated environment.)
Jun. 19th, 2013 10:00 am (UTC)
This too. :-(
Jun. 19th, 2013 09:58 am (UTC)
Because inside, they know good & goddamn well she was raped. They don't want to have to deal with the fact that women are not objects & party favors & the surrounding crimes make it that much harder to prop up their denial, so they'll just push their denial to the grotesque. No surprise at all in a country like Poland where women are sex trafficked like water. What's one little privileged American tech princess in their eyes.

My heart goes out to Georgia. I'm a former rape crisis counselor, if she wants someone to talk to or needs anything, please pass on my contact info. I'm so sorry for all the ways she was denied her rightful humanity in these events.
Jun. 19th, 2013 11:00 am (UTC)
This kind of shit is the very opposite of professional behaviour, let alone security professional behaviour. It makes me furious.
Jun. 20th, 2013 12:08 am (UTC)
...wow. Seriously, what the hell.

I am trying to imagine what Gont could possibly have said to the conference staff that would have given them significant cause to doubt as to the basic outline of things. Unless Georgia has a history of seriously injuring other people in a drunken haze--and I have no reason to believe that this is the case--how did he explain away her injuries and his? Especially given the footage of him entering (and, one presumes, exiting) her room?

For that matter, the fact that B has hard evidence to support it, and that Gont denied B, certainly that gives _some_ reason to doubt his word regarding A.

Maybe the conference staff didn't have access to all this information at the time she spoke to them. But this is outrageous.
Jun. 20th, 2013 03:01 am (UTC)
"why would you just handwave a thing like that away?"

I don't have many details, but my guess is cognitive dissonance.

As the things piled up, it became increasingly uncomfortable and difficult to acknowledge the magnitude of their collective mistakes, but that discomfort was avoided as long as they all continue to agree that there wasn't really any serious problem. Especially since this built up in stages where there was initially some question, then more and more evidence.

Additionally: herd behavior, bandwagon effect, etc.

Edited at 2013-06-20 03:04 am (UTC)
Jun. 21st, 2013 02:48 am (UTC)
Jun. 21st, 2013 05:48 am (UTC)
i wish LJ just had a like button because i like all the comments above.

i am of the belief that there are no safe spaces & that safety is an illusion, but srsly, to be assaulted at a professional event by a peer & to be thoroughly dismissed by other peers as to the occurrence of the assault itself as well as related crimes, i just.... i'm not sure what legal recourse this lady has, if any at all, but if she does, she should pursue it to the fullest.

and what i suppose compounds this is that behavior such as displayed by the accused is not uncommon at professional conferences in any industry or society in general.

i'm not sure what reason she has for not directly naming her attacker other than blow-back from assholes as per online SOP, but there is a sort of power inherent in naming someone who has violated you publicly & standing firm.

if even a small percentage of the attendees feel unsafe at a conference & i would definitely feel less safe than i normally do were i an infosec professional participating in this or any other related event, the organizers have failed in a major way.

this situation is completely abhorrent.
Jun. 21st, 2013 08:52 am (UTC)
Just fear of blowback from assholes, of whom there have been a couple. But his name has been at everyone's fingertips for a couple of days now, and the public response has overwhelmingly been supportive of her, so I think that fear is waning.
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